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it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you don't, then you can't use anything they tell you in court. so that's why the miranda warning is given. but there is an exception. you don't have to do it if there's a possible threat to public safety. and here obviously there's a concern about whether there are potential accomplices. investigators say they haven't found any. or other explosives. they say they haven't found any of those either but that's what they want to ask him. and this exception probably begins to expire the moment you invoke it so it's probably no good for more than a day or two but nonetheless they can do that. afterwards they'll have to give him his miranda warning and say whether he'll continue to answer questions. the justice department says even in very serious cases like this, most people in custody do continue to talk. >> pete, who's going to be interrogating this guy? >> well, during this period of the public safety exemption,
it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you don't, then you can't use anything they tell you in court. so that's why the miranda warning is given. but there is an exception. you don't have to do it if there's a possible threat to public safety. and here obviously there's a concern about whether there are potential accomplices. investigators say they haven't found any. or other explosives. they say...
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authorities decided to withhold reading his miranda rights. as time passes, does the justification for this wear off and in your opinion does the u.s. and investigators stand to regret that? >> they will regret it i think. a, there was never a basis for the public safety exception because when they announced it, the police announced there was no public safety danger. they arrested everybody. didn't think there was a risk to the public. why will they come to regret it? they think the case will be made based on videotapes and civil evidence. there are two elements to every crime. that is the crime itself which they have no problem proving and the intention. now, in order to get the death penalty, they have to prove a terrorist intention. in order to do that, they may get the information from him without having mirandized him and that information may get kept out of a trial. they may have blown the death penalty by not giving him his miranda warnings. >> we talk about public exception, the questioning is limited in scope. do you think there's pot
authorities decided to withhold reading his miranda rights. as time passes, does the justification for this wear off and in your opinion does the u.s. and investigators stand to regret that? >> they will regret it i think. a, there was never a basis for the public safety exception because when they announced it, the police announced there was no public safety danger. they arrested everybody. didn't think there was a risk to the public. why will they come to regret it? they think the case...
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, remember miranda only excludes the actual statement itself. but if the statements were obtained involuntarily as a result of the sedation, not only can't they use the statements in court, but they can't use any of the fruits of those poison trees. so if they get any leads, they can't use those against this defendant. now, they can use it against others. they can use it for general intelligence gathering. so i agree with jeffrey that they may be making a calculated decision to risk any statements of confessions or intention in order to preserve the greater good of getting realtime intelligence information. >> and public safety which cannot be discounted at this time, that fruit of the poisonous tree so critical in this investigation. alan and jeffrey, standby if you will. we're going to delve a lot deeper into the details in the hour ahead. and also within the past hour a funeral mass concluded for one of the three people who was killed in last week's explosions. there were a lot of mourners packing into st. joseph's church in the boston suburb
, remember miranda only excludes the actual statement itself. but if the statements were obtained involuntarily as a result of the sedation, not only can't they use the statements in court, but they can't use any of the fruits of those poison trees. so if they get any leads, they can't use those against this defendant. now, they can use it against others. they can use it for general intelligence gathering. so i agree with jeffrey that they may be making a calculated decision to risk any...
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and this morning the aclu is reacting to no miranda rights red to the suspect. he should be told of his right to silence or right to an attorney, but the aclu says that the public safety exception should be read narrowly and denying miranda rights is un-american. our expert ted smeltzer says that the first thing they will do is find out the motive. >> is this a wayward nut like columbine or some of the school shooters apparently have been, or what is the linkages, and who is this guy linked up to. >> most experts believe the case will be tried in federal court, and pros ecutors will charge hi with use of weapons of mass destruction which could make the case eligible for capital punishment. the suspect is held in the same hospital as some of the victims. more than 180 people were hurt in those explosions, and some are in critical kn dirks and some of the stories trickle out. her son lost a leg. >> it is a nightmare. running back and forth to each of them and they are hurt and sick as they r and i could not be at both places at the same time, so it is a nightmare.
and this morning the aclu is reacting to no miranda rights red to the suspect. he should be told of his right to silence or right to an attorney, but the aclu says that the public safety exception should be read narrowly and denying miranda rights is un-american. our expert ted smeltzer says that the first thing they will do is find out the motive. >> is this a wayward nut like columbine or some of the school shooters apparently have been, or what is the linkages, and who is this guy...
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custody there are situations now where a lot of people would say, you don't need to read miranda rights right away. this decision -- if a very strong suspect is picked up or somebody could provide significant information, i think that decision, whether or not to mirandize could be -- >> presumably as the fbi is going through this, they are looking to make sure there are no secondary attacks, first priority, right, imminent threat. >> absolutely. >> and second of all, to make sure they maintain the possibility of ultimately getting criminal conviction? >> absolutely. >> joining us is an eyewitness to the bombing. he ran the marathon and was in the medical tent when the explosions happened. joining us by phone from boston. describe what you were doing in the medical tent at what time and what the scene there was like. >> yeah. the first thing, this was wave three, so i was running -- i was a charity runner, so we started at approximately 10:40 a.m. then i finished just under four, my first under four, thus i pushed pretty hard mile 25 and 26. that means i was pretty winded, dizzy and felt
custody there are situations now where a lot of people would say, you don't need to read miranda rights right away. this decision -- if a very strong suspect is picked up or somebody could provide significant information, i think that decision, whether or not to mirandize could be -- >> presumably as the fbi is going through this, they are looking to make sure there are no secondary attacks, first priority, right, imminent threat. >> absolutely. >> and second of all, to make...
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once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask for forgiveness. pete, i think -- are you still hearing me, pete? nope. >> oh, there i hear you now. sorry. i hear you now. >> oh, you can hear me now. little bit of technical difficulty. but it's the kind of thing that asking for forgiveness. i guess i ask from a broader justice perspective. if he does cooperate, despite the heinous nature of the activities that he will, in all likelihood be accused of, murder, the mayhem, the terrorism in the bombing of the boston marathon, is there anything for him to be gained from a legal perspective by cooperation? >> well, he avoids the death penalty. which -- well although in the federal case, i'm not sure about th
once he exercises his miranda warning, though -- once he exercises his miranda rights he has the choice to stop answering questions. but what the justice department says is, most people in these cases, surprisingly enough, continue to talk anyway. but if he says i'm not going to talk, then they have to stop the questioning. >> hmm. it's interesting, i know that you heard the coverage with his uncle speaking to him, saying give up, ask for forgiveness. pete, i think -- are you still...
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is entitled to his miranda rights. why? >> well, i think the administration is handling it exactly correct. there is a public safety exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will have to be mirandized, doesn't mean the end of cooperation, but no basis yet to conclude they should be treated at enemy combatants. we're talking about an american citizen on american soil. there's no evidence that i've seen yet that they were a part of an al qaeda cell or directed by a foreign government. we're very far afield from a situation which is sort of the paradigm for enemy combatant status. that is, someone captured on the balg battlefield in a theater of war. resist these charges as an enemy combatant. the court has proven capable
is entitled to his miranda rights. why? >> well, i think the administration is handling it exactly correct. there is a public safety exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will...
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investigators did not read him his miranda rights when he was captured. they invoked what they call the public safety exception. it permits law enforcement officials to interrogate a suspect and use that information as direct evident in court, and that is causing some controversy out there. let's talk about that. we'll talk about that in a few moments. also want to talk about other issues. joining us, former u.s. attorney doug jones who led the prosecutor against eric ruduffel, the 1996 atlanta olympic bomber. thank you for joining us. first of all, let's talk about this video. this video that has now surfaced that cnn has confirmed, a well known jihadist in dagestan who himself was killed in december, the video was posted on tamerlan tsarnaev's youtube channel. since then, it's been deleted. what does that say, if you're a u.s. attorney investigating this case, what does that say to you? >> well, wolf, i think it would be one of two things. there obviously could be some contact since he traveled over that way. there could have been some contact. there co
investigators did not read him his miranda rights when he was captured. they invoked what they call the public safety exception. it permits law enforcement officials to interrogate a suspect and use that information as direct evident in court, and that is causing some controversy out there. let's talk about that. we'll talk about that in a few moments. also want to talk about other issues. joining us, former u.s. attorney doug jones who led the prosecutor against eric ruduffel, the 1996 atlanta...
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obviously they're going to question this suspect, they'll read the miranda rights and all of that. they're going to try to find out if this individual who has now been arrested acted alone as a so-called lone wolf or was part of some broader conspiracy, walk us through what the fbi is about to do. >> sure. well, wolf, they will -- they will take him into custody, they will give him his miranda rights because they want to be sure any statement the individual may make is admissible in court during the prosecution. if the individual agrees to talk, there will be -- they will take a statement and they will also likely confront him with forensic evidence and things that they have learned, photographs, they will ask him to identify how he constructed the bomb, how he knew to construct the bomb, who, if anyone, he worked with, who he communicated with, they'll want to -- they will want to make sure to take when he's arrested any cell phones, blackberries, pocket litter, pieces of paper, notebooks he may have on him and they'll want to have him retrace for them his steps. they will then se
obviously they're going to question this suspect, they'll read the miranda rights and all of that. they're going to try to find out if this individual who has now been arrested acted alone as a so-called lone wolf or was part of some broader conspiracy, walk us through what the fbi is about to do. >> sure. well, wolf, they will -- they will take him into custody, they will give him his miranda rights because they want to be sure any statement the individual may make is admissible in court...
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should he be given miranda rights? should he be treated as an enemy combatant? that debate has started. give me the facts, first, what they'll do. >> this administration has made a policy decision here. first, that's number one. secondly, he cannot be tried as an enemy combatant in a military tribunal because that law was changed by the national defense authorization act of 2012 that says you can't do that to an american citizen. what some advocates, republicans, are saying such as lindsey graham are -- we understand, they say, we understand he's going to be tried in civilian court but start the questioning -- treat him as an enemy combatant under the law of war. question him by intelligence people. get all the intel you can. then turn him over to the civ civilian authorities. that's what they advocate. that's not going to happen, the administration has decided. he'll be questioned first by this special group set up in the last couple of years in terror cases called the high value detainee interrogation group, fbi cia, dod. they don't have a long time to do that
should he be given miranda rights? should he be treated as an enemy combatant? that debate has started. give me the facts, first, what they'll do. >> this administration has made a policy decision here. first, that's number one. secondly, he cannot be tried as an enemy combatant in a military tribunal because that law was changed by the national defense authorization act of 2012 that says you can't do that to an american citizen. what some advocates, republicans, are saying such as...
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they will question him without giving him a miranda warning. r they don't have a long time to do that, probably no more than a day or so. then he'll be begin his miranda warning and we'll see if he continues to talk. in other terrorism cases, surprisingly, these people do keep talking. >> mike rogers, chairman, do you have a view how he should be treated in the criminal justice system? or should he be an enemy combatant? >> he's a citizen of the united states. i think that brings all of those protections of the u.s. constitution. under the public safety exception, however, i do believe that the fbi has a period of time to try to determine what threats are there today. we don't know if there are other devices, if there's other people, and mirandizing him up front would be a horrible idea. now, it's my understanding that that's not going to happen. i had good conversations with the fbi. they are going to do their due diligence on the public safety portion. here is where the problem is. they're getting pressure from outside groups to actually do t
they will question him without giving him a miranda warning. r they don't have a long time to do that, probably no more than a day or so. then he'll be begin his miranda warning and we'll see if he continues to talk. in other terrorism cases, surprisingly, these people do keep talking. >> mike rogers, chairman, do you have a view how he should be treated in the criminal justice system? or should he be an enemy combatant? >> he's a citizen of the united states. i think that brings...
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within 10 hours he was read his miranda rights. critics on capitol hill say the intelligence community was unable to fine him for information as to how the empty developed. the underwear bomber eventually convicted and in super max prison in colorado. harris? >> harris: federal authorities tried to sake him alive unlike his brother who published in thy were really trying hard. why is it difficult to get that designation as an enemy combatant? >> well, for one, he's an american citizen. by law he can't be sent to guantanamo bay, can't be tried in a military commission. there are cases where americans were deemed enemy combatants and tried to federal court. jose padilla for one. in the case of dzhokhar tsarnaev authorities have not found a link to an al-qaeda-linked group, and therefore no court in the u.s. would necessarily uphold the president as commander in chief as designating him an enemy combatant. legally this would be shaky, i'm told, by experts. even if the alleged bomber is deemed an enemy combatant, he still has a right t
within 10 hours he was read his miranda rights. critics on capitol hill say the intelligence community was unable to fine him for information as to how the empty developed. the underwear bomber eventually convicted and in super max prison in colorado. harris? >> harris: federal authorities tried to sake him alive unlike his brother who published in thy were really trying hard. why is it difficult to get that designation as an enemy combatant? >> well, for one, he's an american...
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an obama administration official telling nbc news tsarnaev will not be given a miranda warning when he's physically able to be interrogated after receiving medical treatment. instead, the official says the government will invoke a legal rule known as the public safety exception. that will allow investigators to question tsarnaev without first advising him of his right to remain silent and be afforded legal counsel. president obama used his weekly address today to praise law enforcement and those involved in tracking tsarnaev down. >> americans refused to be terrorized. ultimately, that's what we'll remember from this week. that's what will remain, the stories of heroism and kindness, resolve and resilience, generosity, and love. >> authorities caught up with the suspect after a tip from a watertown resident. he was hiding in a boat parked outside a home. he is now in a boston hospital and nbc's ron allen is joining me from there. ron, with a good afternoon to you, let's get the very latest on his condition. are you getting word from the hospital or are they staying somewhat silent on tha
an obama administration official telling nbc news tsarnaev will not be given a miranda warning when he's physically able to be interrogated after receiving medical treatment. instead, the official says the government will invoke a legal rule known as the public safety exception. that will allow investigators to question tsarnaev without first advising him of his right to remain silent and be afforded legal counsel. president obama used his weekly address today to praise law enforcement and...
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. >> the supreme court's case in which miranda gave a course confession. said confessions have to be knowing, meaning you have to tell the person they don't have to confess, they don't have to talk to you. numerous supreme court cases have picked up on this and said the government must always tell you when you're confronted with a government you don't have to speak to the government. protecting the freedom of speech also protects the right to remain silent. but the supreme court said most people don't don't have the right to remain silent. so you, government, fbi or travel cup have to tell whoever you are interrogating they have the right to remain silent. that is what is not being honored, from what we understand. whatever he said could affect other evidence that independently obtained. it is risky not to read miranda rights and a violation of the constitution not to do so. so the government treads in danger when they try to strike information and somewhere we will not use that against the defendant. tracy: the emotional side of me says too bad. speak of
. >> the supreme court's case in which miranda gave a course confession. said confessions have to be knowing, meaning you have to tell the person they don't have to confess, they don't have to talk to you. numerous supreme court cases have picked up on this and said the government must always tell you when you're confronted with a government you don't have to speak to the government. protecting the freedom of speech also protects the right to remain silent. but the supreme court said most...
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they didn't give a miranda warning so the aclu is shouting about that. and of course, well-known southern bell lindsey graham, why isn't he being treated as an enemy combatant? that one to me -- >> what about benghazi? >> shut up. >> stephanie: i'll always have benghazi. it is my terror. no. >> i would never go thirsty again. i'll have another mint julep thank you. >> stephanie: the legal expert i heard this weekend said this is a nonstarter to treat him as enemy combatants. did he a crime on u.s. soil. >> peter king said this. >> i believe -- should be portrayed as enemy combatants. senator mccain, senator graham, senator ayotte, there are so many questions unanswered so many potential links to terrorism here. the battlefield is now in the united states. i believe he is an enemy combatant. ultimately, he will be tried in a civilian court and the statements taken from him cannot be used against him in that trial. right now, the only links we have as much as chechnyan involvement in the islamic movement. are there other conspirators out there? where do th
they didn't give a miranda warning so the aclu is shouting about that. and of course, well-known southern bell lindsey graham, why isn't he being treated as an enemy combatant? that one to me -- >> what about benghazi? >> shut up. >> stephanie: i'll always have benghazi. it is my terror. no. >> i would never go thirsty again. i'll have another mint julep thank you. >> stephanie: the legal expert i heard this weekend said this is a nonstarter to treat him as enemy...
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controversial move, the justice department plans to begin questioning tsarnaev before reading him his miranda rights, saying investigators need immediate information on any attacks that may be in the works. the pressure is on to learn exactly where this trail of bloodshed began. >> reporter: this is jim axel rod in boston. for those who knew the tsarnaev brothers, the questions are personal. >> who would do something like this? >> not him. reporter: larry aaronson was once a teacher at the high school the younger brother, dzhokhar attended. >> i know this kid to be compassionate. i know this kid to be forth coming. he's a great athlete. he's a sportsman. he's never been in trouble. >> reporter: the two brothers who are ethnic chechens came to the u.s. with their family a decade ago. facing the vicious fighting... escaping the vicious fighting between the government and the largely chechen rebel. dzhokhar who became an american citizen on september 11 of last year is 19 years old. he was a student at the university of massachusetts dartmouth. his older brother tamerlan was 26 years old, marrie
controversial move, the justice department plans to begin questioning tsarnaev before reading him his miranda rights, saying investigators need immediate information on any attacks that may be in the works. the pressure is on to learn exactly where this trail of bloodshed began. >> reporter: this is jim axel rod in boston. for those who knew the tsarnaev brothers, the questions are personal. >> who would do something like this? >> not him. reporter: larry aaronson was once a...
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was one of four republican lawmakers that released a statement yesterday applauding the suspension of miranda rights for the teenage suspect. he even suggested we haven't gone far enough. and advocated for labeling the suspect an enemy combatant. by defining this week's events as terrorism, we endow the violence with political meaning. when we call their homemade bombs but not adam lanza's bush master xm 15 rifle weapons of mass destruction, we sent out a trajectory for the prosecution when we focus on months that one suspect spent overseas rather than the years that both spent in the u.s. we assume a limited geography for the incubation of evil. so here we go. the crisis is over and the politics begin. folks, this is actually the most dangerous part. with me at the table today is msnbc contributor and georgetown university professor, michael eric dyson. valerie core, a writer and fi filmmak filmmaker. co-host of the cycle and robert pape, director of the project security and -- >> bb, let me start with you. what do you think happened this week? >> what i think happened is we had homegrown te
was one of four republican lawmakers that released a statement yesterday applauding the suspension of miranda rights for the teenage suspect. he even suggested we haven't gone far enough. and advocated for labeling the suspect an enemy combatant. by defining this week's events as terrorism, we endow the violence with political meaning. when we call their homemade bombs but not adam lanza's bush master xm 15 rifle weapons of mass destruction, we sent out a trajectory for the prosecution when we...